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2000 years did you know time is marked by Jesus ? thats why we are living in 2017 its 2017AD (after death) yes but the earth has no value in eternity the bible says the earth will pass away but if you put your trust in him you can be with him forever
AD doesn't stand for After Death, it's something like Ad Dominus which is Latin... 'in the year of our lord' I think. Although, I'm just saying now, I don't see god as any sort of lord.
also, guess i'm going to hell.
Same here, and if these afterlives were real I'd be happier in hell than heaven. But you and I know they aren't. After death there's nothing, no consciousness or awareness. Not even some sort of infinite black void for us to stare into for eternity, because we're dead and can't stare at anything, can't see dark from light.
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AD doesn't stand for After Death, it's something like Ad Dominus which is Latin... 'in the year of our lord' I think. Although, I'm just saying now, I don't see god as any sort of lord.

Same here, and if these afterlives were real I'd be happier in hell than heaven. But you and I know they aren't. After death there's nothing, no consciousness or awareness. Not even some sort of infinite black void for us to stare into for eternity, because we're dead and can't stare at anything, can't see dark from light.
If there is no afterlife, then prove it
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If there is no afterlife, then prove it
It's impossible to prove that something doesn't exist and you know that, that's why you said that.
But I kind of like the idea - and liking an idea isn't the same a story believing it - that whatever afterlife you believe in is the one you experience, meaning for me at least there wouldn't be one. No, that's not intended as an answer to what you said, it's just me saying one thing else.

And here I am, the one who just a little while ago said let's try not to turn this into an argument over religion. And now I'm typing this. .-.
Dang it I can't even listen to myself - but I'll admit that at least instead of committing genocide after saying everybody needs to be forgiven.
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God says, forgive people.
God says, lol there are a lot of people irritating me let's kill off 99% of earth's population in a flood and leave one family to continue humanity.

He's just gone back on something he said, that's... okay I suppose contradiction isn't the right word for that example. But it's the first that came to mind. The contradiction is where god seems like a hypocrite.
Also I'm sure that a lot of innocent children would have been killed in that flood
But, y'know, strive to be like god and do what he does - genocide.

The free will thing... okay fine I guess. (But I still hold that if god existed, in order to do what he's supposed to have done he'd be all-powerful, meaning he could just control this stuff. But he doesn't, he's allowed gay and bi people to exist without changing them, so he accepts them.)

The going against god's teachings thing... let's see. Homophobes hate gay and bi people. God said to love everybody, you said that yourself. So... yes, that's opposite to what he said.


And I'd rather this didn't become an argument about religion - I agree with Blue, seeing the word god this many times is a bit painful - so maybe just say what you have to on this and we'll leave it. Hopefully those other pages of this thread aren't like this...

God says, forgive people.
God says, lol there are a lot of people irritating me let's kill off 99% of earth's population in a flood and leave one family to continue humanity. The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human had become on the earth and that every thought they had was ONLY EVIL ALL THE TIME The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth and his heart was troubled so the LORD said i will wipe from the face of the earth the human race i have created with them the animals the birds and the creatures that move along the ground for I regret that I have made them. But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. Genesis 6: 5-8

This says people in those days were all evil all the time can you imagine that? I don't want to try.... they sinned the bible says the penalty for sin is death that is why Jesus came so that we don't have to have the same fate a them we can put our trust in God and be with him forever


He's just gone back on something he said,
nope he said the penalty for sin is death that's... okay I suppose contradiction isn't the right word for that example. But it's the first that came to mind. The contradiction is where god seems like a hypocrite.
Also I'm sure that a lot of innocent children would have been killed in that flood
But, y'know, strive to be like god and do what he does - genocide.

The free will thing... okay fine I guess. (But I still hold that if god existed, in order to do what he's supposed to have done he'd be all-powerful, meaning he could just control this stuff. But he doesn't, he's allowed gay and bi people to exist without changing them, so he accepts them.)
God gave us free will but told us what was right and wrong like a father telling his children not to touch the hot stove but the child does it anyway and gets hurt

The going against god's teachings thing... let's see. Homophobes hate gay and bi people. God said to love everybody, you said that yourself. So... yes, that's opposite to what he said.
I do not hate Gay and Bi people I know they are wrong and that saddens me but there is no hate in my heart for them only love and sorrow...


And I'd rather this didn't become an argument about religion - I agree with Blue, seeing the word god this many times is a bit painful - so maybe just say what you have to on this and we'll leave it. Hopefully those other pages of this thread aren't like this...
in the end this is the only thing that matters in the world whether or not I'm am right or wrong because if I'm right the consequences are horrible for you and I want to help so badly.... If i'm wrong then all I'll have done is to live my life in a way that has brought nothing but love and Kindness to humanity I just want to say there is not a doubt in my mind whether I'm right or wrong I already know but I want you to think about it for a sec WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG I just woke up so sorry if this doesn't all make sense if you have questions feel free to reply!
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AD doesn't stand for After Death, it's something like Ad Dominus which is Latin... 'in the year of our lord' I think. Although, I'm just saying now, I don't see god as any sort of lord.

Same here, and if these afterlives were real I'd be happier in hell than heaven. But you and I know they aren't. After death there's nothing, no consciousness or awareness. Not even some sort of infinite black void for us to stare into for eternity, because we're dead and can't stare at anything, can't see dark from light.
Good point is doesn't stand for After death thats just how i think of it to remember I know what i means but that doesn't change the fact that it is centered around God.

How would you be happier in hell? there is nothing there but constant torture and torment of your sole there its not some little place with fire this is a place with stuff that is not in this world ....
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God says, forgive people.
God says, lol there are a lot of people irritating me let's kill off 99% of earth's population in a flood and leave one family to continue humanity. The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human had become on the earth and that every thought they had was ONLY EVIL ALL THE TIME The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth and his heart was troubled so the LORD said i will wipe from the face of the earth the human race i have created with them the animals the birds and the creatures that move along the ground for I regret that I have made them. But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. Genesis 6: 5-8

This says people in those days were all evil all the time can you imagine that? I don't want to try.... they sinned the bible says the penalty for sin is death that is why Jesus came so that we don't have to have the same fate a them we can put our trust in God and be with him forever


He's just gone back on something he said,
nope he said the penalty for sin is death that's... okay I suppose contradiction isn't the right word for that example. But it's the first that came to mind. The contradiction is where god seems like a hypocrite.
Also I'm sure that a lot of innocent children would have been killed in that flood
But, y'know, strive to be like god and do what he does - genocide.

The free will thing... okay fine I guess. (But I still hold that if god existed, in order to do what he's supposed to have done he'd be all-powerful, meaning he could just control this stuff. But he doesn't, he's allowed gay and bi people to exist without changing them, so he accepts them.)
God gave us free will but told us what was right and wrong like a father telling his children not to touch the hot stove but the child does it anyway and gets hurt

The going against god's teachings thing... let's see. Homophobes hate gay and bi people. God said to love everybody, you said that yourself. So... yes, that's opposite to what he said.
I do not hate Gay and Bi people I know they are wrong and that saddens me but there is no hate in my heart for them only love and sorrow...


And I'd rather this didn't become an argument about religion - I agree with Blue, seeing the word god this many times is a bit painful - so maybe just say what you have to on this and we'll leave it. Hopefully those other pages of this thread aren't like this...
in the end this is the only thing that matters in the world whether or not I'm am right or wrong because if I'm right the consequences are horrible for you and I want to help so badly.... If i'm wrong then all I'll have done is to live my life in a way that has brought nothing but love and Kindness to humanity I just want to say there is not a doubt in my mind whether I'm right or wrong I already know but I want you to think about it for a sec WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG I just woke up so sorry if this doesn't all make sense if you have questions feel free to reply!
I didn't say you hate gay or bi people, I said homophobes. That doesn't mean I was calling you one.
If you're right then you can just go off to heaven when you've died and be happy for yourself and don't worry about me, just go be a selfish little angel or whatever. And I'll go to hell knowing I at least stuck by what I believed.
And again: wow we have no ability to stay on topic do we XD
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I didn't say you hate gay or bi people, I said homophobes. That doesn't mean I was calling you one.
If you're right then you can just go off to heaven when you've died and be happy for yourself and don't worry about me, just go be a selfish little angel or whatever. And I'll go to hell knowing I at least stuck by what I believed.
And again: wow we have no ability to stay on topic do we XD
So, you'd rather rot in hell then live in heaven?
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I didn't say you hate gay or bi people, I said homophobes. That doesn't mean I was calling you one.
If you're right then you can just go off to heaven when you've died and be happy for yourself and don't worry about me, just go be a selfish little angel or whatever. And I'll go to hell knowing I at least stuck by what I believed.
And again: wow we have no ability to stay on topic do we XD
And how is he selfish? He's trying to help you!
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And how is he selfish? He's trying to help you!
No, I'm not calling him selfish now, I mean he can just go be happy instead of worrying about my afterlife. I'm saying that he should be able to think of himself and be glad, like, "okay, I'm in heaven, I'm where I want to be. And she's in hell, but that's not my problem." I'm not saying he's a selfish person, I'm just... just not doing a good job of explaining this. But it wasn't meant to be rude. I just mean he doesn't have to worry about whatlll happen to me if I don't believe in any of this.
So, uh... sorry Jonas if I offended you with that one.
So, you'd rather rot in hell then live in heaven?
Technically, it's not living, since you'd be dead... and I'd rather suffer for sticking to my beliefs
Yeah someone's gonna say that's wrong and I'm being stubborn... but if I'm stubborn then I'm gonna be glad for being stubborn, because that is the nature of stubborness
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@HermioneJG @BlueLeDutchAD I completely agree with your guys' beliefs. I do not believe in God, nor Heaven or Hell. Some of the best points I have ever seen in debates over religion.
And how is he selfish? He's trying to help you!
Perhaps she doesn't want help. She can have her own beliefs, and one of the things I dislike the most about Christians is that they try to push their beliefs onto others who see fact and don't want those beliefs.
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This was a nice thread to start, I agree with love being love, but religion hit. And now I feel awkward.
I kinda see it as Jonas pushing his religion into people here... but eh what can I say. (Sorry If it was offending... gotta say that after every fudging thing I say lately.)
Some people don't want religious help, that's why they push it away. Others simply don't believe in it. If someone doesn't believe in something you do, what gives you the right to push them to believe it. Just let people be themselves. "You do you" why get involved? (As I say as I get involved xD)
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No, I'm not calling him selfish now, I mean he can just go be happy instead of worrying about my afterlife. I'm saying that he should be able to think of himself and be glad, like, "okay, I'm in heaven, I'm where I want to be. And she's in hell, but that's not my problem." I'm not saying he's a selfish person, I'm just... just not doing a good job of explaining this. But it wasn't meant to be rude. I just mean he doesn't have to worry about whatlll happen to me if I don't believe in any of this.
So, uh... sorry Jonas if I offended you with that one.

Technically, it's not living, since you'd be dead... and I'd rather suffer for sticking to my beliefs
Yeah someone's gonna say that's wrong and I'm being stubborn... but if I'm stubborn then I'm gonna be glad for being stubborn, because that is the nature of stubborness
WELL, THERE WE GO, HERMIONE DOESN'T WANT HELP, BLUE IS AN A**HOLE. THE CONFLICT HAS BEEN RESOLVED. TIME FOR A THREAD LOCK:
@Springtrap_123
@HazardTheDutchAD
@Ray_Palmer_Atom
@ssunsett
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Blue's an ***hole for thinking that you shouldn't hate on people who are gay or bi?!


You know what you're right, this thread should be locked and forgotten. It was just one big argument...
No, I just hate it when people say Antireligious things to Christians on purpose in order to offend them
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